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Posts Tagged ‘saudi moon’

A 28 day Ramadan

Posted by Abd Al Mustafa on Saturday 28th December, 2013

I ought to have posted this months ago but it seems to have been lost in transition somewhat.

Alhamdulillah! 2013 saw muslims in the UK start Ramadan on oneday. Some of us optimistic ones immediately imagined an image in our minds of muslims ending ramadan and celebrating eid on one day in unity. It was later heard of that in the saudi region where mr annonymous usually makes a claim of sighting the new hilal even when the new moon hadn’t yet been born had experience such bad weather that if anyone were to make any such claim on that day, the masses would have hamstrung him. so there was no real unity, it was just a co-incidence that it rained in saudi that day.

Unfortunately, as the month progressed rumours emerged from saudi claiming that they should have started ramadan according to the pre-calculated saudi calendar and that they made a mistake by delaying the start of ramadan. And accordingly after 28 fasts the officials announced to the people in saudi to go out after completion of 28 fasts to look for the new hilal. did they expect to actually see the moon when it hadn’t yet been born..?? what utter stupidity??

Obviously no moon was visible. It was clear that the government had decided to call the 28th their 29th, making way for eid to fall on a date that matches their pre-calculated calendar. because after that, the actual 29th would be their 30th at which point no need to look for the moon as the month cannot be more than 30 days. And so in the west eid was once again split.

So, if they decided to accept the day before they actually started ramadan as part of ramadan should they then not make up that fast.?? but did they??

To think that people, scholars, imams, muslim activists etc etc in the UK see and hear about this but do not realise that something somewhere is going south. I canot comprehend this. what’s going on..????? And those who actually don’t know need to pull their finger out. At times of fitna, silence is the work of shaytan.

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moonsighting in UK

Posted by Abd Al Mustafa on Saturday 28th December, 2013

verily, Allah alters not His blessing from any people until they themselves alter their condition (13:11).

Alhamdulillah! we have many hilal committees in the UK today who are striving to revive the blessed sunnah of moonsighting. Trying to actually sight the moon each month rather than following age old pre-calculated calendars that do no one any justice. When no positive sighting made on the 29th of lunar month they are gathering information from neighbouring countries who have authoritative hilal organisations and also countries who have reliable and trustworthy systems in place namely south africa. But only after attempting to sight the moon here in the UK do they follow the rule which in hanafi fiqh allows the muslims to use information from the east.

Subhanallah!! i was overwhelmed with joy when i saw pictures from south africa (below) where muslims go out to attempt to sight the new moon in the thousands. yes! thousands. NOT a handful or even 100 but thousands. sadly, in the UK muslims take it as a non-issue. When no positive sighting made on the 29th, these UK organisations are also going out on the 30th in order to keep a record for future predictions etc.

southafrica1 southafrica2 southafrica3

After all this how can muslims continue to blatantly blind follow saudi arabia, when there is no basis for it in the shariah. many have made many claims about it’s validity and that saudi is also to the east of UK, but when you look at the saudi calendar system it all goes out the window. those who support following saudi dates do not tell their fellow muslims of the corrupt and erroneous nature of the saudi calendar.

  • the pre-calculation calendar is based on the birth of the moon and not predicted visibility
  • their months start and finish exactly as the pre-calculation
  • claims of sightings made and accepted before birth of new moon
  • and many other erroneous factors

The public need to wake up and start questioning their masjid committees and imams who are directly responsible for muslims starting fasting when the month hasn’t actually begun, so that fast will not count. And then celebrating eid when the month of fasting has not actually ended, in effect they shall be liable for that fast. Then qurbani/udhiyyah being done when it is actually the day of arafah. i suppose the common person won’t catch on or have the courage to stand up and ask the question, but there are many learnered brothers and sisters out there who need to step up to the challenge or you will find yourselves being asked that which you will not be able to answer on the day of qiyamah. unfortunately, there are also committees under the pretence of hilal organisations who present and promote themselves as  who discuss debate and gather information on the issue and then decide when the month should start/end but sadly they are just taking the public for fools, by just announcing what comes out of riyadh yet making the public believe that they are actually doing something genuine and constructive.

some say that we live in a non-muslim country with no islamic governance, so no one will be held accountable. unfortunately, it is quite the opposite. we have no islamic governance, so it’s every man for himself. the duty is on every individual shoulder to learn the deen and act upon it. if you are deaf dumb and mute and you follow or make an error then inshallah it will be forgiven easily. however, if you are knowledgeable, able, competent, proffessional and you just sit back and follow like sheep then you are in for a tough ride.

some follow up reading on the topic:
why two eids.?
cesarean moon births
— who’s to blame for the split.??
hanafi fiqh on starting ramadan on the testimony of one or two person

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The new hilal of shawwal will not be visible on 17th or 18th of August in saudi…..

Posted by Abd Al Mustafa on Saturday 11th August, 2012

It will not be surprising to hear that, the bright eyed person who sighted the new hilal for ramadan on the 19th of july will once again step forward and claim the sighting of the new hilal for shawwal on the 18th of August. For hanafis living in the UK/USA, it will be very interesting to note the rule of “jamee ghafeer”. Which is, when the skies are clear with no obstruction, the sighting must be confirmed by a large number of people. According to Imam Abu Yusuf (RA), a minimum of 50 people must have reported the sighting.

Firstly, the sighting in saudi on the 19th of july 2012 was claimed by one unknown individual despite the fact that the officials assigned to the task (almost 60 in total thru out saudi) with hi-tech equipment were unable to make any positive sightings.

without doubt, saudis will be asked to attempt to sight the moon on the 17th of august. it will be impossible to make a sighting in saudi on that date, so it will be confirmed that ramadan will complete 30 days and nobody will bother to check whether the moon is visible on the following day. however, according to hanafi fiqh if the moon is not sighted on the 30th of ramadan, then without doubt the sighting of 19th july was false or a mistake. In this situation, what does hanafi fiqh advise..?

If the people begin Ramadan based on the testimony of a single person, and then they complete THIRTY DAYS of fasting and thereafter no one sees the moon of EID AL-FITR even though the sky is clear, it is not permitted for them to cease fasting (which is the view agreed upon in the Madhhab. This means that the person who first witnessed the moon of Ramadan was mistaken, and that it was not Ramadan. hence, they are to fast this day also. ie. their 1st ramadan does not count as a fast of ramadan).

Scholars however differed on, if  Ramadan was established on the testimony of two upright persons (and then thirty days are completed and yet no one sees the moon for Eid al-Fitr even though the sky is clear); do they fast another day? Or do they celebrate Eid al- Fitr?

Many experts held that they are to fast another day, because the fact  that the moon is not observed on a clear day is proof of their mistake.

what will our hanafi brothers and sisters living in the UK/USA say on this.? we all shout and scream about adhering to the hanafi madhaab, but on such issues all we hear is silence.

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An Interesting Story

Posted by Abd Al Mustafa on Wednesday 1st August, 2012

Allah (SWT) gave me a chance to work and stay in Saudi Arabia for about 5 years (1416-1421H / 1995-2000). I wanted to use my stay to find out about the system for Hilaal sighting there, and to check my personal sighting attempts there. I also wanted to find more about the “UmmUlQura Calendar”. First, as was perhaps expected, I found that most local people had no idea of any mistakes in the Saudi announcements for Hilaal, and an extremely small percentage of my local Saudi practicing Muslim friends had ever attempted to sight the Hilaal in their life. Then Alhamduilillaah I was able to meet some Astronomers and also find that the UmmUlQura Calendar is designed in KACST – the prestigious King Abdul Aziz University for Science and Technology in Riyadh. UmmUlQura Calendar.

The local Astronomers brothers I met were very warm and welcoming. I found that there has been a major change in the UmmUlQura Calendar computation criteria starting 1420H. Before that year, the UmmUlQura calendar was based on Greenwich and not Makkah. Also it was based on the dark invisible Astronomical new moon being born. Thus it was totally different from the actual Hilaal observation. Starting about 1420H, the new criterion is that the Moonset be after Sunset in Makkah (even by one second). Starting 1423H Insha’Allaah it will again change slightly to directly take the astronomical new moon (conjunction) also into account. But the main input I got was that the UmmUlQura calendar was for CIVIL use only, and NOT for predicting the Hilaal for religious dates. The Astronomers were well aware that the moonset needs to be after sunset by a long time, and not just one second (along with other factors) for the Hilaal to be visible. But the point was that the UmmUlQura calendar neither attempts nor claims to predict the Hilaal. It is merely used for the official dates in the Ministries, schools, Saudia Airlines, and indeed all over the country Alhamdulillaah. Also, the local Astronomers were very well aware that there were a LOT of errors in the Saudi announced dates.

Official Saudi Hilaal Sighting Committees

Further, I was found that due to the Saudi Government becoming aware of the complaints of errors in the announced dates, around 1419H, the ruling council ordered the formation of Hilaal sighting committees.

Each such committee includes:

one member of Qada (Islamic Scholar/Justice department),

one member of KACST/Astronomer,

one member of Imarah (ruling council of the city), and


As of 1421H / 2000 there were six such committees in Saudi Arabia – near Makkah, Riyadh, Qassim, Hail, Tabuk and Asir. While they may carry a telescope with them, the official sighting of the committee is with naked eye only. Saudi scholars like Sheikh AlOthaimeen (RH) are against use of telescopes. Sheikh AlOthaimeen (RH) for example indicated that using telescopes increases the “Takalluf” (Burden) on Muslims, which Allaah (SWT) does not want. These official committees seemed to be a wonderful news and excellent solution Alhamdulillaah. So why should there still be a problem ?

Well, the answer is as follows:

The problem is because even though these 6 official Hilaal sighting committees exist, the Justice department still accepts the witness of “any” Muslim and not just the 6 official committees mentioned above. Thus, often the new month is declared while NONE of these 6 official Hilaal sighting committees saw the Hilaal. In fact, most people, including scholars are unaware of the existence of these official committees.

In the case of EidUlFitr 1420H, I myself went with the Makkah committee to a sighting point on a hilltop of Shamesi outside the city of Makkah Mukarramah on Thursday evening. Neither we, nor the other 5 committees sighted the Hilaal. But we came back to the Haram Shareef and were astounded to hear the announcement that EidUlFitr was next day (Friday). In fact moonset was before sunset in Makkah for Thursday evening. In this case the error was quite brazen. Later I learned that Sheikh Yusuf AlQaradawi issued a Fatwa indicating that Muslims who celebrated Eid 1420H on Friday following the Saudi announcement should make up one missed Ramadaan fast………………………….Dr Salman Shaikh

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